Jane: So, lets sort of go back in time a bit. 59 records for Andy Coulson. But this kind of disconnection from family, whatever the circumstances, is just a fundamental negative. At that stage there was a book ban in prisons, so no chance of getting any books at all. But the net result of all that stuff that happened over the course of five years or more has definitely made us stronger as a family. Then we got word that, no it wasnt going to be, it was going to push on. . And I thought that was plain wrong and I was livid about it. Normally youre packing to go on holiday, but youre packing to go to prison. Business City Spy: PR Week unveils its top spinners of the year. Jane: You were acquitted. Coulson, who now runs a successful strategy business, talks candidly and honestly about his regrets, resilience and recovery. The Coulson Brothers - Mills Brothers Medley -Bass Guitar & Vocals - Curt CoulsonLead Guitar & Vocals - Jack CoulsonKeyboards & Vocals - Otis CliftonDrums & . The Pickwick Papers, I think, I would probably choose as the favourite. Jane: Did you attempt to draw perspective from other sources? In an interview with the Press Gazette in 2005, he said that "Tabloid newspapers in this country do more for its people than any other newspapers in the world". Andy: Well, losing people, like we all have. Jane: As you say, its high security for a reason, because there are some pretty serious criminals in there. Andy: There were moments when I felt utter despair. Andy: I think I would, to be honest, yeah, because Im just not outraged enough by much any more. Five years that saw him fall from grace from Number 10 Downing Street to a cell in a high-security prison. But thats the really easy answer to give, isnt it? Reading has been very important through my crisis. When you saw very young men like that in prison, now that your own boys are reaching past adulthood, did you, sort of, connect with them? And then the third thing would be what I actually send to every podcast guest, when its appropriate to do so. Andy: Well, just the checking-in process because Id obviously tried to do some research beforehand. [42] Coulson has denied these latest claims. Its appalling. Andy Coulson is Founder of www.coulsonpartners.com and host of www.crisiswhatcrisis.com. Nobody put a gun to my head and told me to do those jobs. And I had so much incoming. Not given a reason why and that you should prepare yourself for spending your sentence here entirely. Youve got to be either kind of 200% enthusiastic about something or youve got to be outraged. Theres a lot of kind of, Ill help you out here and you help me, and I knew I wasnt going to engage in any of that. I wasnt forced to be a tabloid newspaper editor and I wasnt forced to be a Tory spin doctor, if thats the description you want to use. Former News of the World editor Rebekah Brooks had an affair with former News of the World editor Andy Coulsonboth of whom are pasty, married to other people, and currently on trial for. Was there ever a point through all of this, the trial or prison or any of it, that you cried? [15] Other defendants were cleared. You take some advice. Andy: Better than the alternative. I was all over it. [21] I quite like the one-in-five theory; that out of five people that you meet, three of them will be indifferent, one will think that youre an absolute superstar and the other one will never want to look you in the face again. Dont try and solve it all. And I thought that was very generous of them really. Episode 8. And thats, on any level, regardless of what that persons story might be, thats just sad. They take your clothes when you go to prison, which I think is sensible. How can I be the Director of Communications in Downing Street when Im on the front pages? It was between governors and there was a proper shortage of staff. But no, certainly not in this kind of context. Im certainly not proud of the mistakes that I made from a personal perspective. [9][10][11][12], In June 2014 at the Old Bailey, Coulson was found guilty of a charge of conspiracy to intercept voicemails (phone-hacking). I had proper moments of depression, without a shadow of a doubt, but I found ways of dealing with that and also I got a lot of help. So, I spot the signs and I know what to do and I know how to kind of avoid it. Fair enough, really. And when you see young men being separated from their families in that way, it is profoundly depressing. On one level its fundamentally depressing to find yourself there. Thats what we have here and obviously for me Im going to say its an imperfect system, but Im certainly not arguing that it should have been done some other way. Andy: I dont know the answer to that. Jane: So youd make a lousy newspaper editor now? [33], Prior to the jury handing down their verdict after Coulson's trial, Cameron issued a "full and frank" apology for hiring Coulson, saying "I am extremely sorry that I employed him. And its like eating rotten fruit. "[41], On 1 September 2010 The New York Times printed new allegations from former News of the World reporters alleging that Coulson had "actively encouraged" reporters to illegally intercept voicemail messages, and that he "was present during discussions about phone hacking". If you have a life sentence, if youve murdered someone, you will finish your sentence in a prison like Hollesley Bay. But pretty quickly I got my head around it and although we spent a lot of time behind the door there were also periods of time when youre allowed out to exercise, walking around a concrete yard. Thats a memory I didnt want my boys to have and I regret that. Jane: I wanted to point out before we really get started that its not really an interview about why you ended up in prison, because obviously the details of the trial can be Googled. Jane: Were obviously talking about a whole series crises in a way with you, its like crisis Whac-A-Mole. Andy Coulson (Andrew Edward Coulson) was born on 21 January, 1968, is a Journalist, newspaper editor. Andy: I do, yeah. But I didnt have that because I knew that there would be one, possibly two more trials when I came out of Belmarsh. There are a lot of very bad people in there and there are also a lot of people like me who are transiting, if you like. During that time Andy faced three criminal trials. In the second extract from his new book Hack Attack, Nick Davies. I dont know how long you can give it but I want you to stay and be in Downing Street with me, which was, I have to say, enormously flattering. [19], Coulson was portrayed by Andrew Bone in the 2015 Channel 4 television film Coalition.[63]. Before Patrick's last year of High School he left . Actually, the most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy? Not that I was ever an MP. And that visiting thing, the rule is if you kind of cross the line into the visit and your visitor doesnt turn up youre not allowed to leave and that can be brutal. He subsequently joined David Cameron's personnel as communications director, until announcing his departure on 21 January 2011 because of continued media coverage of the phone-hacking affair. Which it was. And there was clearly a view inside Number 10 that, the moment a guilty verdict came, we need to get out and start talking and I think that was a bad decision. Funnily enough I am a bit of a blubberer, but its normally at something really sort of soft. [1] They have three children. The work ethic amongst us all is very clear. - Devised and implemented a new Conduct Risk Framework and Conduct risk management strategy for Permanent TSB Group. Andy: It was boiling hot and it was a glorious summer, as I said. And I tried to make the best of it. I like to think Im a better husband; I like to think Im a better father, a better friend. Andy: Yeah, I have occasional grey days. In January, a former News of the World journalist told the trial that his phone hacking skills were the main reason Coulson had hired him. Jane: Do I get one of those for doing this? And before I knew it, much sooner than I thought, there was sun coming through the windows and then, again, it sounds strange, I suspect, to some people, but I just found the whole thing so utterly absurd. So I actually had a little bit of time at home to be able to prepare, which I was very grateful for because that allowed me to talk to the kids and to talk to Eloise and get things sorted, get organised as best I could. - Delivered a Conduct-focused approach and embedded cultural change focused on . And actually, I dont feel much right now at all, life is good. Why the Conservative machine turns a blind eye to racism, Memo to Labour: make local politics a national issue, If anti-semitism isnt challenged then the fight against racism is doomed, Netflixs endless cancellations signal the end of the prestige streaming TV era, The best holiday cottages for a stunning UK minibreak, Podcast episodes to make you more productive in 2023, Vivienne Westwood didn't just make British fashion she was British fashion, The 15 most anticipated TV series of 2023, from, Print copies & Digital access for only 1. Andy: Absolutely, yeah. [36] Kate Robertson of One Young World told the Guardian "He can't do One Young World work at the moment, that is absolutely clear". Youve got parameters but you dont really know because in the end that is obviously in the gift of the judge. And then before you know it, I live a way away from London, finally we got in and I had a final meeting with my lawyers. [40] Cameron, though, defended Coulson on the morning of 9 July: "I believe in giving people a second chance. Find professional Andy Coulson videos and stock footage available for license in film, television, advertising and corporate uses. And, of course, we became friends because we worked together a long time and David and his family went through, as everyone remembers, some truly appalling times during the period. There are probably people out there who maybe even think worse, but there is nothing I can do about that. Shes just not got a bitter bone in her body. Because the truth is, for the nearly year that I was there, I loved it, Jane. And what I understood quite quickly is that theres two routes to violence in prison. Andy: Yeah, always. And that was, youve got to accept where you are. Now, I dont recall seeing one of you. I think on one level the answer was yes, because it was just so long. In the same way, Jane, that I hope that people will not judge me entirely on my mistakes, Im not going to judge other people entirely on their mistakes. In 1988, he moved to The Sun, working with Piers Morgan on the showbiz column Bizarre. Im pleased about that but someone needs to tell Google. [58], Coulson's trial over the phone-hacking claims started in October 2013. Jane: OK, and finally you asked this of all your guests, the three crisis cures, if you like, and you know the rules; it cant be a person. Coulson Partners offer strategic advice that moves the dial. Ask away. Journalist and political strategist, Andy Coulson was editor of the News of the World from 2003 until his resignation in 2007, following the conviction of one of the newspaper's reporters in relation to illegal phone-hacking. Andy: Well I think for most people, not all actually, but most people who go to prison it's the kind of beginning of the end because yes youre in a van, yes youre going to Belmarsh, but you know now you are on the road, actually, to the end. But we had a two-week crisis in our life, after Monty was born, in terms of the emotional impact of it, it was far greater because we felt we were going to lose him not long after he was born. [50], Coulson was arrested at Scotland Yard at 10:30am on 8 July 2011. So your boys did come to Belmarsh? I love a good book, both fiction and non-fiction. One of the principles of prison is that everyone has to be on the same level. So ask me what my biggest regret is, I would absolutely say it was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons, not Finn, come and visit me in Belmarsh, because it was only a couple of weeks after that visit that I got moved. All the old clichs are clichs for a reason and that kind of what doesnt kill you makes you stronger I think is true from the individual point of view, but I think it is also true from a family point of view. Jane: So, youve known the power and privilege of being a newspaper editor and advisor to David Cameron. Colton came . When I was in the midst of all this I was encouraged by Eloise and friends to go and talk to someone and I did that. The second, I think, would be music, which has also been incredibly important for me and for the family. Discover Andy Coulson's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. Jane: Another clich is that you never know what youve got until theres a danger that you might lose it, which must have been a very real possibility in terms of your marriage in your own head. I have apologised during the trial and Ill do it again now, here. It turned out that all of my research and all the advice was entirely wrong and so a lot of the stuff that I took in, I had a radio, I took some books, all of that was gone, stamps were gone. Andy: Well Belmarsh was going through a pretty dysfunctional phase at that stage. How do you view it? That doesnt mean that Im pleased it happened, Im not. They used to say about the News of the World, the old marketing slogan for the News of the World was all human life is here and thats true of Dickens. And I just thought to myself, how the hell did I end up here? I use a guy who lives up in Scotland, Ron, who is just outstanding and I still talk to him from time to time now. Because I read at one point that youd been pushed down the stairs. And I made mistakes in my personal life as well, and so Ive never at any point felt why me? about it because thats just not how I feel. [1] He follows Tottenham Hotspur. Throughout his career Andy has been, as he puts it, poacher, gamekeeper and game - experiencing crisis from every angle. Andy: No, as I say, only during the course of a very long trial in the Old Bailey where I answered every question, I gave full evidence and answered every question that was asked of me by a fair number of lawyers and a judge. So I did. That came not long after I arrived in Belmarsh and that was probably the worst moment. It was the wrong decision and I am very clear about that." And Ive got to be honest with you, it was actually really interesting and quite rewarding work. In 2005 at the age of 16, Patrick Collison was the recipient of the 41 st Young Scientist of the Year for his work with Lisp. Mar 2016 - Oct 20182 years 8 months. Jane: So how did you find out, or when did you find out that you were being moved? Andy: Well that didnt happen immediately, because theres a period of time between verdict and sentencing. And share he has about Colton Underwood from the world of The Bachelor. I just wish that it hadnt happened. Because they, obviously, are the most important thing in my life, along with Eloise, and I wanted them to see that I was OK. So, what are yours? I think people are due their opinion. [51] He was questioned under caution, and later that day released on police bail until October, but made no comment on his release. [20], He became deputy editor of the News of the World, the Sunday sister paper of The Sun, in 2000. I had plenty of offers and I just didnt. 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Andy: Well its a mixture of things, I think, as it is for most people. Andy Coulson IBM z Specialist at IBM Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom 2K followers 500+ connections Join to connect IBM University of Wales, Cardiff About IBM Mainframe Systems and Security. Youd get out for an hour and then youd be back in again and youd do anther 23 hours and it was boiling. And Ive got to be honest with you, I think that is a change in me because as a newspaper editor, particularly, you are very judgemental. We were doing, it sounds ridiculous, Dragons Den presentations of ideas for what they were going to do when they got released, and mock interviews. [59] In June 2014, Coulson was found guilty of one charge of conspiracy to intercept voicemails and he was sentenced to 18 months in prison on 4 July 2014. [23], In 2008 an employment tribunal upheld a claim of bullying by Coulson whilst he was at the News of The World. 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